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Behind The Mask: Rorschach v V

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(Sun, Oct 30, 2005 6:39 PM)

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Both are the products of institutionalised upbringings & both have "issues" (read 'whackjobs').

Both hide behind a mask that reflects their personality & raison dtre - constantly shifting splotches that present a chaotic but nonetheless simply black & white view of the world to the wearer but whose patterns, like the owner, are open to interpretation by everyone else; a four hundred year old symbol of rebellion, violence, and revolution that the wearer brings to the present day.

Add to this that both have sacrificed their true identities & that their personas, embodied by the masks they wear, their public faces, have superceded, consumed & replaced the men that once were Walter Joseph Kovaks and The Man In Room Five.

Compare and contrast.
In what other respects do our (anti) heroes cover common ground, and where/how do they differ?

Oh... and who d'ya think could have the other one in a ruck?

Vynson

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(Wed, Nov 2, 2005 2:31 PM)

Much more interesting than Superman vs. the Hulk.

I think that V, being a meticulous planner, would have every move of the brawl mapped out 4 years in advance and Rorschach, the improvisational fighter, would never know what hit him, be it a dagger or a shitload of gunpowder pounded up his arse while he slept in his hovel.

But if they met without any previous plan, just two guys passing in a dark alley and feeling the urge to brawl, I think Rorschach would take him.

Will

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(Sat, Nov 5, 2005 3:36 AM)

"I am Will, king of kings, look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair!"

The Man from Room Five has been through physical and mental torture on levels Walter hasn't. Rorschach had it rough, don't get me wrong, but not rough the way V had it.

V could take him.

RLS

No contest

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(Sat, Nov 5, 2005 11:46 PM)

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Come on, it's got to be V. But after suffering some symbolically appropriate death, Rorschach would leave a journal behind with all the information about Larkhill.

The real contest would be between V for Veidt and V.

CB15 II

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(Sun, Nov 6, 2005 6:31 PM)

Feeling a bit disgruntled about other Watchmen sites

I think pre-Roche "Rorschach" would certainly have fared better strategically than Rorshach A.D. (anno doggy-die); he supposedly had quite some flair as a tactician before being all bent outta shape upstairs & I think would've given V more a run for his money in the planning stakes.

Then again, I guess ultimately there ain't much in the way o' defence when you're dealin' with a whackjob who'll happily level an entire building & it's inhabitants to achieve his goal.
International current affairs tells us that all too often...

Straightforward mano-a-mano fisticuffs?
Rorschach would have the edge over his previous 'Walter-in-a-mask' incarnation certainly, but when facing an opponent such as V who also employs similar theatrical scare tactics (enigmatic mask, the element of surprise), 'Schach loses the advantageous impact of the ultimate weapon in his arsenal which affords him free reign to whale on lowlife scumbags so readily.

And he's a bit of a short-arsed lightweight to boot.
The Man In Room Five looks kinda buff in silhouette as he strolls outta Larkhill - the possible body mass-increasing results of the mysterious experimentation programme he has undergone in captivity? (not so much Weapon X as V). Unless he goes an' trips over his cloak, I think Blotty's more than met his match.

They could indulge in a war of words, I guess, and simultaneously snuff it mid-conversation through a combination of monosyllabic & iambic OD respectively, no?

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The real contest would be between V for Veidt and V

Pray continue...

dandreiberg

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(Sun, Dec 11, 2005 6:13 PM)

...beyond that there is only slapstick.

Just plowed through my first read in under 24 hours. My head is still spinning.

I think V's got this contest hands down. Anyone who would torture their proteg obviously knows no boundaries. England prevails.

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The real contest would be between V for Veidt and V.

Agreed. In fact the V's have much more in common. Intellectual. Well-read. Manipulative. A twisted sense of the "greater good". A dichotomy between public/private personas. An excellent grasp of science. An interest in genetics. Superhuman abilities. Driven. Willing to do whatever it takes to achieve their goal.

In a mano a mano situation, it's almost too close to call. I give Fawkes-face a slight edge because he's uncompromising and brutal. He's unlikely to take the time to explain himself unless he's pretty sure of victory. Unlike Veidt, he also plans for his succession, so even if he's snuffed he's got someone to carry the torch for him.

Zool

My money's on Adrian.

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(Mon, Mar 20, 2006 2:32 PM)

Strangeness and Charm

Viedt can catch bullets.

For real.

CB15 II

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(Mon, Mar 20, 2006 10:20 PM)

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Er, now I don't believe that Ozy was one of the available choices on offer.

If we're goin' down that particular road, I call Doc Manhattan.

He can do fuckin' anything.

(Not for real - he's a comic book character, remember?)

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ManOWar

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(Tue, Mar 21, 2006 8:24 PM)

Your predicament has been noticed and the situation is being attended to.

V could take Rorschach, even though I am a bigger fan of his than V.

V has "Matrix-esque" powers and abilities, just like in the movie, apparently... :rolleyes

Yeah, V vs. Veidt... that is probably a slightly better matchup. I'd have to take Veidt then.

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davefilkins

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(Fri, May 29, 2009 12:48 AM)

Rorshach A.D. (anno doggy-die);

Nice...

CB15 II

V For Vacillation

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(Fri, May 29, 2009 7:40 PM)

Feeling a bit disgruntled about other Watchmen sites

Three and a half years in the making but I just knew that line would bloody well get a laugh one day.

Yet it took one of those pesky newcomers to come along to do it; just who in the name of flying fuck went and gave their sort the idea that they're most definitely welcome to post or just peruse the history (warts and all)? The old guard just won't stand for it, y'hear... or the young(er) The Guard for that matter either, quite possibly.

Jesting aside, welcome davefilkins; an infusion of new blood will hopefully give this board the shot in the arm it needs now we've just decided we're too good for other places. And congratulations on the nuptials with very best regards going to mrsfilkins. Any chance of a Gentleman's Excuse Me?

Oh look, I've been promoted to hirsuit New Topic button. Nice...

Last Edited By: CB15 II Fri, May 29, 2009 7:47 PM. Edited 1 times.

Will

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(Fri, May 29, 2009 8:01 PM)

"I am Will, king of kings, look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair!"

Ha! Ha!

I was wondering how long it would take you to notice. Only a month or so, as it turns out.

And, actually, Mr. davefilkins is here by happy accident and not through any advertisement posted by me.

So he says, anyway.

CB15 II

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(Sat, May 30, 2009 9:41 PM)

Feeling a bit disgruntled about other Watchmen sites

Oh well, nice while it lasted, as but mere playthings of Administrators are we...

Will

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(Sun, May 31, 2009 3:21 AM)

"I am Will, king of kings, look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair!"

You deserve better.

Hmm...

CB15 II

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(Sun, May 31, 2009 1:11 PM)

Feeling a bit disgruntled about other Watchmen sites

Uh-oh.

Will

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(Sun, May 31, 2009 4:36 PM)

"I am Will, king of kings, look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair!"

"Anno doggie-die."

Heh.

Uhr...back on topic, as they say...

Compare and contrast.
In what other respects do our (anti) heroes cover common ground, and where/how do they differ?

V is quite well-spoken and educated (self-educated, like Moore himself, one wonders?), while Rorschach comes off as almost illiterate. A comment on anarchic vs. conservative thinking by the known liberal Moore, perhaps?

Back off topic for a second, re-reading this thread, along with an over four year e-acquaintance with Vynson has led to me notice something:

An apparent preoccupation in pounding granulated, powdery substances into the anal orifice. Witness:

I think that V, being a meticulous planner, would have every move of the brawl mapped out 4 years in advance and Rorschach, the improvisational fighter, would never know what hit him, be it a dagger or a shitload of gunpowder pounded up his arse while he slept in his hovel.

Italics mine.

Compare to an exchange (seen and remembered perhaps only by me, so I'm afraid you'll have to take my word for it) from an AICN talkback with a Mr. Dick Fitzwell, where our friend, compatriot, and immediate superior Mr. V suggests to Fitzwell that he might like to "go pound sand up your butt with a hammer."

Interesting, to say the least.

Last Edited By: Will Sun, May 31, 2009 5:37 PM. Edited 1 times.

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